Pick 3 out of 4 healing spells - Guild Wars Forums

Sir Tidus · Mar 11, 2008, 04:14 AM // 04:14

I have 3 spaces on my monk hero skill bar, but there are 4 healing spells that I really like: heal other, healing touch, heal party, and healing breeze. Could you help me pick 3 out of the 4 as a suggestion please? And no, I don't have WoH, just pick from these 4. Thanks.

MisterB · Mar 11, 2008, 04:20 AM // 04:20

Just invite Alesia. She likes 3 of those skills, too. Plus, she even has Word of Healing.

Sir Tidus · Mar 11, 2008, 04:21 AM // 04:21

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Originally Posted by MisterB

Just invite Alesia. She likes 3 of those skills, too. Plus, she even has Word of Healing.

Please just answer my question. My hero is much better than Alesia anyways.

Fury Incarnate · Mar 11, 2008, 04:48 AM // 04:48

That's a tough one - Personally I'd drop Heal Party unless you're using Healer's Boon (HP + HB = GG, otherwise it's too slow for too little health.) Otherwise it's a tossup between Breeze and Touch - Heroes don't always use Touch well, (though they often do and it's a GREAT self-heal), while Breeze is generally considered too expensive and isn't instantaneous, but mathematically has the best health/energy ratio of all of the above skills (ignoring DF bonuses). Considering you're using heroes, I'd drop Breeze - they don't generally manage energy well.

Sir Tidus · Mar 11, 2008, 04:52 AM // 04:52

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Originally Posted by Fury Incarnate

That's a tough one - Personally I'd drop Heal Party unless you're using Healer's Boon (HP + HB = GG, otherwise it's too slow for too little health.) Otherwise it's a tossup between Breeze and Touch - Heroes don't always use Touch well, (though they often do and it's a GREAT self-heal), while Breeze is generally considered too expensive and isn't instantaneous, but mathematically has the best health/energy ratio of all of the above skills (ignoring DF bonuses). Considering you're using heroes, I'd drop Breeze - they don't generally manage energy well.

Thanks for the reply. But how does heal party heal too little? Heal party heals your entire party, it's got more heal gain per energy than even healing breeze. Is 2 seconds considered slow? Also, how is healing breeze too expensive? It costs as much as heal other and lasts for 15 seconds.

Sergeant of Marines · Mar 11, 2008, 04:54 AM // 04:54

The only one that may be usuable is Heal Touch, the others are not that good.

I suggest [skill]Dwayna's Kiss[/skill], [skill]Ethereal Light[/skill] and if you need a bigger heal [skill]Jamei's Gaze[/skill]

other good choices are [skill]Words of Comfort[/skill] [skill]Orison of Healing[/skill]

but out of the ones you are asking take all but heal party.

Snow Bunny · Mar 11, 2008, 04:56 AM // 04:56

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Originally Posted by Sir Tidus

I have 3 spaces on my monk hero skill bar, but there are 4 healing spells that I really like: heal other, healing touch, heal party, and healing breeze. Could you help me pick 3 out of the 4 as a suggestion please? And no, I don't have WoH, just pick from these 4. Thanks.

None of them are really very good.

I would advise you to look at Protection Prayers - the damage they mitigate is more than what Healing prayers heal for.

Sir Tidus · Mar 11, 2008, 04:56 AM // 04:56

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Originally Posted by Sergeant of Marines

The only one that may be usuable is Heal Touch, the others are not that good.

I suggest [skill]Dwayna's Kiss[/skill], [skill]Ethereal Light[/skill] and if you need a bigger heal [skill]Jamei's Gaze[/skill]

other good choices are [skill]Words of Comfort[/skill] [skill]Orison of Healing[/skill]

but out of the ones you are asking take all but heal party.

Thanks. But how is heal other not good (edit: lol, Jamei's Gaze is the same as Heal Other)? And how is orison of healing good?

Sergeant of Marines · Mar 11, 2008, 04:59 AM // 04:59

It is virtually the same as [skill]Jamei's Gaze[/skill]

As I play monk alot, I usually got Prot like Snowbunny said but as heal, it is very low energy cost, low casting time and low recharge time. If you need to, you can party heal and still have decent energy to use other needed skills.

Yichi · Mar 11, 2008, 05:13 AM // 05:13

negating damage > healing damage

Stormlord Alex · Mar 11, 2008, 05:14 AM // 05:14

All of them spells are pretty atrocious tbh.

Dwayna's Kiss + WoH + a bunch of protection prayers is the way to go (you never really need more that a couple of direct healing spells, Word and Kiss are the best ones)

**Marty Silverblade** · Mar 11, 2008, 05:47 AM // 05:47

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Thanks for the reply. But how does heal party heal too little? Heal party heals your entire party, it's got more heal gain per energy than even healing breeze. Is 2 seconds considered slow? Also, how is healing breeze too expensive? It costs as much as heal other and lasts for 15 seconds.

Thing with Heal Party is, often something/somethings will deal a significant amount of damage to a character while the rest of the party is fairly uninjured. In this case, Heal Party has an atrocious healing:energy ratio. Also, you're not going to be able to heal them in time before they die (unless someone else is healing/protting).

2 seconds is VERY solw for a Monk spell. Think about it this way. If you're about to die and need a heal, you have to wait 2 seconds for it. Also, it's extremely interruptable, even for inexperienced interrupters.

Btw, I lol'ed at someone suggesting Jamei's Gaze instead of Heal Other. they're the same skill, it's just that JG is Factions and HO is Proph.

Sergeant of Marines · Mar 11, 2008, 05:50 AM // 05:50

Read the second reply in this thread, it states that it is the same skill.

Div · Mar 11, 2008, 05:53 AM // 05:53

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Originally Posted by Sir Tidus

Please just answer my question. My hero is much better than Alesia anyways.

If you don't have WoH, then Alesia is probably better than your hero...

Mohnzh · Mar 11, 2008, 05:59 AM // 05:59

Heal party is do bad that you could probably choose any random three healing spells and anyone would pick them over heal party. I'm sure there are a few that this wouldn't work for, but for the most part heal party is worthless now. If you need a party-wide heal, Light of Deliverance is the only one that makes sense. Low energy, low cast time, and medium heal. If you need a massive party-wide, then you messed up somewhere else.

Fury Incarnate · Mar 11, 2008, 06:06 AM // 06:06

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Originally Posted by Sir Tidus

Thanks for the reply. But how does heal party heal too little? Heal party heals your entire party, it's got more heal gain per energy than even healing breeze. Is 2 seconds considered slow? Also, how is healing breeze too expensive? It costs as much as heal other and lasts for 15 seconds.

Marty already covered the problems with HP. As far as Breeze - The healing only works if you're not already at max health, which is a downside, and is healing over time instead of instantaneous, which is also (usually) a downside, but more importantly it has a 2 second recharge and heroes don't use it intelligently - a spammable 10-energy spell is generally a bad idea on most monk hero bars.

DarkFlame · Mar 11, 2008, 06:17 AM // 06:17

Use henchmen until you unlock more skills. Heroes are only better then henchmen once they are runed out with max modded weapons and access to more skills. Until then, henchmen are more then enough.

As for those 4 spells, they are all bad. Healing Touch will have your monk running into agro to heal frontline characters. The others have high energy costs and can't be spammed often. Hero monks will cast them regardless of how little damage you have taken and when in a full party, that means they'll run out of energy fast.

Jam Jar · Mar 11, 2008, 06:28 AM // 06:28

I know this is straying a bit off topic, but I've seen an interesting GvG monk, who stands at radar range from his party on top of a hill, and uses heal party and an occasional glyph.

legacyofkain85 · Mar 11, 2008, 10:08 AM // 10:08

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Originally Posted by Sir Tidus

Thanks. But how is heal other not good (edit: lol, Jamei's Gaze is the same as Heal Other)? And how is orison of healing good?

well jamei and heal other despite healing for the big amount of hp they heal they cost 10 energy so they arent that great

legacyofkain85 · Mar 11, 2008, 10:10 AM // 10:10

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Originally Posted by Mohnzh

Heal party is do bad that you could probably choose any random three healing spells and anyone would pick them over heal party. .

Heal party it??s not bad it has its uses in the right places

Mar 11, 2008, 04:14 AM // 04:14	#1
Sir Tidus Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jan 2008	Help me pick 3 out of 4 of the following healing spells I have 3 spaces on my monk hero skill bar, but there are 4 healing spells that I really like: heal other, healing touch, heal party, and healing breeze. Could you help me pick 3 out of the 4 as a suggestion please? And no, I don't have WoH, just pick from these 4. Thanks. Last edited by Sir Tidus; Mar 11, 2008 at 04:47 AM // 04:47..

Mar 11, 2008, 04:20 AM // 04:20	#2
MisterB Furnace Stoker Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Planet Earth, Sol system, Milky Way galaxy Guild: [ban] Profession: W/	Just invite Alesia. She likes 3 of those skills, too. Plus, she even has Word of Healing.

Mar 11, 2008, 04:48 AM // 04:48	#4
Fury Incarnate Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Connecticut, USA Profession: R/	That's a tough one - Personally I'd drop Heal Party unless you're using Healer's Boon (HP + HB = GG, otherwise it's too slow for too little health.) Otherwise it's a tossup between Breeze and Touch - Heroes don't always use Touch well, (though they often do and it's a GREAT self-heal), while Breeze is generally considered too expensive and isn't instantaneous, but mathematically has the best health/energy ratio of all of the above skills (ignoring DF bonuses). Considering you're using heroes, I'd drop Breeze - they don't generally manage energy well.

Mar 11, 2008, 04:54 AM // 04:54	#6
Sergeant of Marines Desert Nomad Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Japan Guild: [트두므s], Guild Leader Profession: Mo/	The only one that may be usuable is Heal Touch, the others are not that good. I suggest [skill]Dwayna's Kiss[/skill], [skill]Ethereal Light[/skill] and if you need a bigger heal [skill]Jamei's Gaze[/skill] other good choices are [skill]Words of Comfort[/skill] [skill]Orison of Healing[/skill] but out of the ones you are asking take all but heal party.

Mar 11, 2008, 04:59 AM // 04:59	#9
Sergeant of Marines Desert Nomad Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Japan Guild: [트두므s], Guild Leader Profession: Mo/	It is virtually the same as [skill]Jamei's Gaze[/skill] As I play monk alot, I usually got Prot like Snowbunny said but as heal, it is very low energy cost, low casting time and low recharge time. If you need to, you can party heal and still have decent energy to use other needed skills.

Mar 11, 2008, 05:13 AM // 05:13	#10
Yichi Furnace Stoker Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Guild Hall, Vent, Guesting, PvE, or the occasional HA match... Guild: Dark Alley [dR]	negating damage > healing damage

Mar 11, 2008, 05:14 AM // 05:14	#11
Stormlord Alex Grotto Attendant Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Beyond the Forest of Doom, past the Cavern of Agony... on Kitten & Puppy Island Guild: Soul of Melandru [sOm] Profession: W/E	All of them spells are pretty atrocious tbh. Dwayna's Kiss + WoH + a bunch of protection prayers is the way to go (you never really need more that a couple of direct healing spells, Word and Kiss are the best ones)

Mar 11, 2008, 05:50 AM // 05:50	#13
Sergeant of Marines Desert Nomad Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Japan Guild: [트두므s], Guild Leader Profession: Mo/	Read the second reply in this thread, it states that it is the same skill.

Mar 11, 2008, 05:59 AM // 05:59	#15
Mohnzh Krytan Explorer Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Might find me roaming around doing missions in hard mode...or maybe I'm lost in the Underworld... Guild: [KCOR] Profession: Mo/	Heal party is do bad that you could probably choose any random three healing spells and anyone would pick them over heal party. I'm sure there are a few that this wouldn't work for, but for the most part heal party is worthless now. If you need a party-wide heal, Light of Deliverance is the only one that makes sense. Low energy, low cast time, and medium heal. If you need a massive party-wide, then you messed up somewhere else.

Mar 11, 2008, 06:17 AM // 06:17	#17
DarkFlame Desert Nomad Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ascalon Profession: E/	Use henchmen until you unlock more skills. Heroes are only better then henchmen once they are runed out with max modded weapons and access to more skills. Until then, henchmen are more then enough. As for those 4 spells, they are all bad. Healing Touch will have your monk running into agro to heal frontline characters. The others have high energy costs and can't be spammed often. Hero monks will cast them regardless of how little damage you have taken and when in a full party, that means they'll run out of energy fast.

Mar 11, 2008, 06:28 AM // 06:28	#18
Jam Jar Krytan Explorer Join Date: Apr 2007 Guild: [Disc] Profession: W/	I know this is straying a bit off topic, but I've seen an interesting GvG monk, who stands at radar range from his party on top of a hill, and uses heal party and an occasional glyph.